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PostSubject: New section for gun testing...   Sat Feb 20, 2010 5:21 pm

I want to know what you all think about this, your inputs, your insight. Correct me if i forget stuff. this is a basic list as of now.

I would really like to have a section titled GUNS or GUN TESTING. period.

Inside there would be subsections.
SNIPER
CQB/FIELD WEAPONS (M4s, AKs, shotguns)
HEAVY GUNNER (SAWs, M60s, gatlin guns, Ma Duece, whatever)
SIDEARM
OTHER for grenades tests, launchers, claymores, etc.

Maybe an equipment section for radios, tracers, or random stuff I cant think of right now.

i am buying a chrono and a gun table to mount the guns on soon.

I want a comprehensive testing regiment. Depending on the gun, sniper rifle for instance, I will shoot it with .20gs all the way up to .40s for FPS and effective range. Up to 150ft. Ill only shoot 5-10 BBs per weight or Ill be there all day. log the groupings on a 12x12 target at the varying ranges.

Testing ROF as well.

Average prices.

I will weigh it, measure it and list all the things that come with it upon purchase.
Is it Metal?
Blowback?
Battery size (measured and with what connector it comes with)
Battery Voltage and MaH capacity and a charger?
Magazines it came with and how many...
A f'king instruction manual?!
etc.

For the people looking to possibly upgrade a gun they see on here... i will list if known:
Barrel length
Version of gearbox
Stock spring
Metal gears?
Metal bushings?
collapsable body?
Rail type...
etc.


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PostSubject: Re: New section for gun testing...   Sat Feb 20, 2010 5:31 pm

The purpose of this is to provide a guide to potential buyers. The end all answers that many retailers neglect to elaborate on.

I will have all these facts and throw in the owners thoughts.

If I can i will video the testing and post it on youtube.

The video would start with a very quick visual of the gun with a scrolling list of goodies.
Within 30 seconds would be the actual 1st person views of the gun firing and results.
At the end would be the breakdowns and opinions.

90% of the videos of "reviews" are crap, and they show a cross section of the shooter firing, and then show grouping after a cut away. (retailers) or no shooting at all. Or you have to sit through 7 minutes of talking by some 14 yr old kid would got it for christmas and they shoot cans.

In a week i am ordering the chrono, and will test the SAW, My M16 SPR MOD 0 DMR, and even my rental guns (M4s and an AK47)

If I finish working on it Ill review my LAW!
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PostSubject: Re: New section for gun testing...   Sat Feb 20, 2010 5:33 pm

BTW I have to make my posts in sections because my laptop likes to eat all my posts...

Heres the basic form I made last night on MS paint. It looks convoluted but it just checking boxes and filling in some numbers on grids.

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PostSubject: Re: New section for gun testing...   Sat Feb 20, 2010 5:47 pm

The bottom of the sheet is for upgraders and for after initial testing updates with new parts.

If it did 430FPS with .20g on a stock setup and you did 470FPS with X amount of parts I want to know what is done to it. It shows people the possibilities of the new setup.
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PostSubject: SAMPLE GUN REVIEW (a lot of it made up for now)   Sat Feb 20, 2010 6:07 pm

SAMPLE GUN REVIEW (a lot of it made up for now)

A&K M249 MKII SAW Fully Automatic Electric Gun
$275


Comes with:
2500rnd battery operated Box magazine
9.6V 1200MaH battery (.75"x1.2"x6" with ____ connector)
"Dumb" charger
500 .20g BBs (don't remember if it did)
Permanent bipod (adjustable length)
Instruction manual
Requires 2 AA batteries for box mag

20Lbs
48" long
Full metal
Iron sights
Only operates in full auto / with safety switch

Testing: Groupings at rated range (12" target)
Rated FPS 400 Effective range 25ft 50ft 75ft 100ft 150ft
Actual FPS .20g 385 150-160ft 5 5 5 4 3
Actual FPS .25g 345 155-170ft 5 5 5 5 4
Actual FPS .30g N/A
Actual FPS .35g N/A
Actual FPS .40g N/A

ROF 20RPS or 1200RPM

Recommended Usage:
Heavy Gunner

Internals:
Gearbox version 7 (I think)
Barrel length 510mm
spring M120
Gear set Metal (unhardened)

POST YOUTUBE VIDEO HERE.

Write opinions here... I love my SAW, bla bla bla, but its heavy.
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PostSubject: Re: New section for gun testing...   Sat Feb 20, 2010 6:37 pm

if anything breaks over time the poster can come back into the thread with parts updates and where they got them and for how much.

Long term thoughts as well.
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PostSubject: Re: New section for gun testing...   Sat Feb 20, 2010 6:38 pm

Nice work Tedder... It will be nice to get lots of reviews with plenty of info.
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PostSubject: Re: New section for gun testing...   Sat Feb 20, 2010 6:41 pm

I'm on it as soon as I get the equipment. I'm still not sure when I will do it logistically, as in at the field...or like a testing place that people would have to bring their guns to. I doubt people are going to to loan me their guns for a day... if they are willing to I'll do it that way.

We'll see.
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PostSubject: Re: New section for gun testing...   Sat Feb 20, 2010 9:14 pm

Nice work I love the idea thats why I through my review of my new one up there. Hopefully we get a big enough repository to get the attention from distributors and get some test guns to review. Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: New section for gun testing...   Sat Feb 20, 2010 9:27 pm

One problem is that parts in one gun sometimes perform different in others. I know it sounds weird but there are variances perhaps in the box body? I've heard of some spring diameters not compressing as smooth in some boxes as others when these are supposed to be the same? Perhaps the better the cast quality and or materials, the more consistent the end results to others.

I'd imagine that as the internals break in on each other they kinda create a combined signature. I understand that the metal gears get "work-hardened" and over time you will get less gearbox whine/chatter.
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PostSubject: Re: New section for gun testing...   Sat Feb 20, 2010 10:21 pm

Well, we can still report what it does and people will have to use judgement on expected gains.

Put a 5% threshold on things.
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PostSubject: Re: New section for gun testing...   Sun Feb 21, 2010 10:42 pm

Great work Tedder, I like the idea it will be a good source for real world info. If i can help you fabricate anything give me a ring. Bob.
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PostSubject: Re: New section for gun testing...   Mon Feb 22, 2010 11:59 am

Those of you that modify guns... I would like to get with some of you so i can take pictures of specific gearboxes, pistons, motors, hopups, switches, barrels etc.

I want a database also with a picture and short description of parts.

Mainly a list of gearboxes. Note the versions so people can see it.

Also in each gun review where its been modified, I would like to list the person who did it,

Recognition!
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PostSubject: Re: New section for gun testing...   Mon Feb 22, 2010 4:11 pm

Tedder I'm making a video for my gun and putting the stats up too. Should I post it here or somewhere else?
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PostSubject: Re: New section for gun testing...   Mon Feb 22, 2010 5:52 pm

Im hoping slayer will make the sections... Post it in a seperate thread in this section for now.
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PostSubject: Re: New section for gun testing...   Mon Feb 22, 2010 6:40 pm

I made a section for my gun already I'll put it in there and I'll move it to the new sections if they get made, I'll upload the video when I can use the good computer.
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PostSubject: Re: New section for gun testing...   Tue Feb 23, 2010 3:18 am

Yeah I just ordered two more guns so I will follow this format with the next two I might wait to post till the sections are up cause I dont really want to start flooding the general section with reviews of my guns especially since none of you actually know me yet.
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PostSubject: Re: New section for gun testing...   Tue Feb 23, 2010 1:35 pm

We can move it later...
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PostSubject: Re: New section for gun testing...   Fri Feb 26, 2010 3:26 pm

Hey sorry guys,

I've been a bit out of it. I was having midterms this week.


What do you need me to do?
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PostSubject: Re: New section for gun testing...   Fri Feb 26, 2010 10:15 pm

I know I don't even have the rights but I think Tedder needs to get admin rights as he is very active on here and we all know he's a born leader...he's like Shar's Yang...

...LOL...okay, okay, Yin!
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PostSubject: Re: New section for gun testing...   Sun Mar 07, 2010 1:38 am

Uh oh, just ordered a Madbull Ver 2 Chronograph!!!!!

Soon ill start testing!!!! Loan me some guns fools!

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PostSubject: Re: New section for gun testing...   Sun Mar 07, 2010 1:40 am

You can test my m99 Very Happy




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PostSubject: Re: New section for gun testing...   Sun Mar 07, 2010 1:44 am

Bringing it out tomorrow? Of course everyone wants to see it, or they will...
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PostSubject: Re: New section for gun testing...   Sun Mar 07, 2010 1:51 am

I will. it shoots like 420 witht the .20's I think.It can use some help. It looks good , but it is a POS AND SUPER HEAVY....
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PostSubject: Re: New section for gun testing...   Sun Mar 07, 2010 2:04 am

That would be a great start to my testing... and before you start to modify it as well.

Do a before and after segment.
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