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PostSubject: A&K SAW M249 Para   Sun May 16, 2010 12:34 pm

I received my A&K SAW M249 Para last Monday and just got to fire it yesterday. After some trouble I was able to remove the stupid plastic flash hider due to the microscopic screw snapping in half and replaced it with the metal one that they should have put on it in the first place. I was hitting multiple man-sized targets at about 200 ft with no problems. My only complaint is the ROF. I've been told that the batteries they give you are crappy, so I charged up my Intellect 9.6v Nunchuck . My CA M15A4 spits out much faster with the same battery...

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What would be the best battery option for this gun to give it a better ROF ? And, with that, should I do any further upgrades to it? I just want to max out it's capabilities as a support weapon.
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PostSubject: Re: A&K SAW M249 Para   Sun May 16, 2010 1:03 pm

12v is the solution to everything on this website.
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PostSubject: Re: A&K SAW M249 Para   Sun May 16, 2010 1:15 pm

LOL... That is def always the answer around here...

What kind of ROF are you looking for, and where d oyou store the battery on yours. I have the same version and I use a Lipo on mines with great success. I wirded to gun up with a FireFET (MOSFET by Fireman).. The MOSFET is really not NECESSARY for the trigger switch that is used on these guns, but the added trigger response and the Placebo feeling of safety I feel extremely comfy using my 11.1v 25c Lipo. And it fits perfect in the handguard.


I have also had luck with small type 10.8v batteries, but the small type battereis dont usually last an entire day, so the Lipo was the best option for size and MAH.

It was used in game yesterday and he ROF from this combo was ideal and useful..
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PostSubject: Re: A&K SAW M249 Para   Sun May 16, 2010 2:33 pm

I'm not looking for anything too drastic, like 60 rps, but it's shooting under my M15A4. Since it's supposed to be a support weapon, I want it to be able to lay down more than a standard rifle. For right now I'm storing it in the foregrip, but I plan on putting a RIS on it in the future so it might get a PEQ15 down the road.

So, if I go Lipo would you recommend a MOSFET? I don't really know what that is, I'm not internal savvy. Explanation please?
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PostSubject: Re: A&K SAW M249 Para   Sun May 16, 2010 2:44 pm

Oh, and uh... Yeah, just watched your video. After picking up my jaw and cleaning the drool off myself, I realized that was pretty much exactly where I want my ROF at. Beautiful sir.
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PostSubject: Re: A&K SAW M249 Para   Sun May 16, 2010 3:05 pm

How fast do you want it? Mine does 15RPS and 900RPM... Seems to do the trick in most games...

I never thought of upping the ROF at all.
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PostSubject: Re: A&K SAW M249 Para   Sun May 16, 2010 3:18 pm

The ROF in SHWELLs video is basically what I want. Not sure exactly what it is, he'd have to give you that info. Believe he was quoted as saying "ROF is... FAST"
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PostSubject: Re: A&K SAW M249 Para   Sun May 16, 2010 3:26 pm

The thing eats through BBs at the stock level. My goal is more penetration power with range versus ROF.
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PostSubject: Re: A&K SAW M249 Para   Sun May 16, 2010 3:28 pm

True. What type of battery do you run in it?
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PostSubject: Re: A&K SAW M249 Para   Sun May 16, 2010 3:36 pm

The stock 9.6v 1200MaH
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PostSubject: Re: A&K SAW M249 Para   Sun May 16, 2010 3:41 pm

The manual that came with mine said it was a 8.4v - I never charged it up and tried it out though, just stuck my 9.6v in it. I guess I should try that before I go spending money
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PostSubject: Re: A&K SAW M249 Para   Sun May 16, 2010 3:42 pm

Mines an A&K too, and it came with that 9.6v... Is it 6cells with one turned sideways (7 total) or 8 cells all in parallel?
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PostSubject: Re: A&K SAW M249 Para   Sun May 16, 2010 3:47 pm

8 cells parallel. Says "Ni-MH Battery 2/3A1200mAh 1.2v" on each cell, so I guess that makes it a 9.6v. Manual says 8.4v, i guess they just don't have their ish straight. Wouldn't be the first time.
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PostSubject: Re: A&K SAW M249 Para   Sun May 16, 2010 4:12 pm

A good shim job, MOSFET and atleast 10.8 NiMH will easily put you around 20 RPS at the stock 400ish FPS.

You may want go 11.1 25c LiPO but I would replace the piston for that one.

In my opinion, a MOSFET is a must on these guns because the trigger switch is not the greatest to be using in a High ROF with a high discharge battery for long bursts.

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PostSubject: Re: A&K SAW M249 Para   Sun May 16, 2010 4:23 pm

What are you talking about David?! i enjoy the autonomously sporadic firing of my gun without me touching it... Especially when it results in me shooting myself in the face.
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PostSubject: Re: A&K SAW M249 Para   Sun May 16, 2010 4:28 pm

I like the random shot every 30 sec or so.

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PostSubject: Re: A&K SAW M249 Para   Sun May 16, 2010 4:43 pm

Nah i just look at it and it gets scared.

"NO MORE TWO MINUTE LONG BURSTS, PLEASE NO MORE..!?"

The gun is really just shitting itself in fear.
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PostSubject: Re: A&K SAW M249 Para   Sun May 16, 2010 5:14 pm

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A good shim job, MOSFET and atleast 10.8 NiMH will easily put you around 20 RPS at the stock 400ish FPS.

Well, looks like I'll be in the market for such items. Would you be able to install/work on it or is that a Fireman job?
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PostSubject: Re: A&K SAW M249 Para   Sun May 16, 2010 5:47 pm

I can get you the parts. Fireman does the installs unless he is slammed and wants to pass it on to me. Talk to him about the install first.
I'll send you a PM with suggested parts and pricing.

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PostSubject: Re: A&K SAW M249 Para   Sun May 16, 2010 6:32 pm

Roger that. Sounds good, I'll be waiting for it. Thanks!
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PostSubject: Re: A&K SAW M249 Para   Mon May 17, 2010 7:29 am

Sorry for the delayed response...

ROF on my gun is unknown, and I forgot to check it at the game yesterday.. But I know for certain it is above 20RPS. This is all with Stock internals and an added MOSFET... Adding the MOSFET was too EZ not to do it, and because of the use of Lipo I felt I needed to add one....

NOW, the only thing NEEDED to run Lipo on this gun is a New Piston and Shim job. That is it.. The Switch can handle the juice provided by the batteries (The switches do become faulty, but that is a design flaw)...

What I find is that one of the most important things to buy when owning a SAW of any kind, is a high mah battery... because of their use, you may find yourself without juice or switching batteries all day. The beauty of Lipos is thier ability to be high MAH but small in size. If you do not want to risk Lipo, then I suggest 10.8v batteries..

Here is a low cost 10.8v I have and love... It is only 1600mah, but carrying an extra is no problem because it is fairly small. And for less than $20 total you can have it in 3 days.
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PostSubject: Re: A&K SAW M249 Para   Mon May 17, 2010 7:48 am

The SAW is getting a 10.8v 3300mAH PEQ, full metal tooth piston, shimming and FireFET.

This should suffice for 20+ RPS and is fairly inexpensive and easy to do.

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PostSubject: Re: A&K SAW M249 Para   Tue May 18, 2010 8:12 am

Use a MOSFET , the micro switch that the gun uses is going to fail and your gun will shoot by itself right Tedder ? As far as battery goes a 3 cell lipo will up your rate of fire but in a support weapon that you may fire a 500 rnd burst I don't know if you want that kind of speed it is a lot of stress on gearbox. If it were me I would use a 2 cell lipo it is 8.4 volts fully charged and it will allow you to go with a battery with higher mah so it will last longer . Your gearbox will thank you for it. Bob.
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PostSubject: Re: A&K SAW M249 Para   Wed May 19, 2010 5:52 pm

If you follow the info provided in this thread, you will have a nice ROF Support weapon that is reliable..

Keep us posted on what you do an how it turns out.... Oh, and the Fet Install for this gun is as ez as it gets... You can actually do it without solder and without taking the gearbox apart... It gets no ezer...
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